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I can mentor you in: Digital Art and Space & Sci-Fi

Specifically, I can help you with: Various aspects of painting/drawing in general, specifically digital art and space and sci-fi.

The term, digital art, is art done in the digital medium in particular. There are various subcategories under it.  However, one still needs to practice core fundamentals. From starting out with an idea, exploring the idea through variations, research, reference, composition, colour (light), mood, various painting techniques, anatomy, polishing it off, to name a few (that seems like a lot right? :C ).  I use Photoshop but can help you in SAI only a tiny little bit. But that wouldn't really be a problem usually.

The space and sci-fi category consists of both digital and traditional art section and I would be happy to help you with the digital aspects of it. You can certainly ask for general advice regarding space and sci-fi in a traditional aspect, however, for techniques in traditional drawing/painting, etc, you are encouraged to contact the respective mentors. It would very much defer to the aspects digital paintings (and in turn traditional painting) and basics. However, many sci-fi and space aspects can be understood through discussion.

Mentoring is not for me to only order or hand feed you tasks/answers/advice. I am by no means the god of art nor are my words the edict. This is a mutual learning aspect where both are forming a partnership in order to learn and understand from each other. Research, weigh in various suggestions, advices and critiques by others and see what helps you the most. Being self-critical to improve, learning new things as well as un-learning old (or wrong) aspects helps quite a lot. There are plenty of resources both online (DA included) and offline at your disposal as well!


I can mentor you through: DA Notes  (Currently this one only; may change in the future)

Some of my work: DA Gallery

Friends by phoenixleoo_O by phoenixleo

If you would like to start mentoring with me, please send a Note Note to seniormentors and include the following information:
  • What art medium would you like to be mentored in?
  • What is your goal for mentoring? What would you like to get better at? (Please try to be specific!)
  • Do you wish to work with any Senior Mentor in particular?

Please allow up to 7 days for one of our group admins to respond to your application. Pairings are done based on availability of the Senior Mentor. If the mentor you wish to work with does not have slots available, or feels they would not be a good fit, we will try to match you with another of our skilled seniors. Thank you for your interest in seniormentors!

Hope to hear from you soon,
Hello fellow deviants,

Thank you for your enthusiasm, community spirit and all the things you have accomplished this year.

Deviants new and old alike, whether you have just buzzed out of the site for some time or continued full steam ahead, we hope you and your loved ones are safe, happy, and carry on to the times ahead. You have thousands and thousands of cells (and some fair share of wonderful bacteria) working together to keep you going. Even if this year was grumbly, hopefully, all of you can move forward being who you are, openness and something awesome!

Let's get rid of all the negative things that have happened. There are things we may never forget, but let's be strong and move forward!

And fight on!

Take care!



It was during the 9th birthday of deviantART that I realized something that I am never going to forget. We're twins! Over the years, deviantART has grown changed tremendously, whether its the user base, the visual look of the site, the features and its access to the userbase, the interactions between users and the staff/volunteers, as well as the thousands and thousands of artwork being submitted every year by old and new upcoming artists. And with every change, with every log-in to the site, impression about the site has changed dynamically.

deviantART has always been referred to as deviantART, dA, deviantArt, devART and the likes, with dA being the most prominent one. Until a few months ago, when spyed announced in his journal it's going to be officially DeviantART, aka DA for short. That was quite some news and was always humming on the background of the new things to come. Such tremendous change in the naming would sure follow more branding changes and other news later on. It was a cryptic announcement; a cautious response along with it, but a spark of excitement was quite nice to have.

Things might have gone unnoticed generally as to the new changes that would be coming, but it's remarkable how the site has showcased what's to come in a more audacious manner in its designs, particularly in the hq Site Updates, published by wreckling. The design of the articles, particularly the header is new, from its predecessors, however, continued a slanted theme that exudes a sense of cohesion amidst various changes that some of us thought was interesting. It could have just been some 'easy peasy' default new design and that's it!

Artists, art appreciators and the like don't just live in a void. Days can pass with(out) doing art, but being part of the living realm, we have to live, breathe, interact. The proverbial, "what's this outside world you are talking about?", while works well in various cases, life gets in the way. Artists, and art appreciators, go through their day to day lives, as well as inspire, create, showcase, sell, buy, and promote artworks. Those artworks, in their various mediums and styles take their place in both the 'outside/IRL' world and online. Art sites, art networking sites, blogs and other sites in general have always, one way or other, highlighted works that suit their particular taste, reflect their choices, views, and inspiration.

A few days ago, Angelo ( spyed ) published the journal, Down the Rabbit Hole. New badges aside, :rabbithole: caused an exciting flurry of discussions on what's likely to happen. The hype made some cautious, some eager for more badges. I spent considerable amount of time to figure out what :rabbithole: meant. Some threads lead me astray, others are not set in stone yet, but one, that I hadn't mentioned yet during the discussion was trying to spatially arrange :rabbithole: in various ways to see what it could mean. One thing I was certain of was that the right part of the symbol was part of letter 'A'. The front part was making me think of the letter 'D' but felt weirdly uncomfortable to jot down to the specific form. It was certain, as someone in the forum pointed out, that it was similar in its aesthetic to the Site Updates published in hq. It was like solving a piece of puzzle that are almost certain is correct but expecting someone to throw all the pieces in air to annoy you.

Today, December 4, 2014, marks the 8th year anniversary of me being on DeviantArt (it's probably already December 5 seeing the time it's taken to write this) . I was going to write a "hello everyone, my account is 8 years old today! Take care!" today, seeing I haven't done one in years. It was to be a brief notice that you can easily click away, something to put in stone that I was aware of this day. But then Angelo announced the big news today. It's on my Facebook, Tumblr, etc, where ever I was on.

Boldly Facing The Future

I felt something quaver in me. Such an 'Audacious' news, right today, was unexpected. We were looking for a few more days of going down the hole. Reading through the article, an appropriate term to use would be, 'Inspired'. It was 'Magnetic', seeing this site was part of something for me, and I to it and many others, however minutely - a 'Kindred'.

I felt differently and the same about the site. A strong reverberation of the year 2009, when I found out I shared something with this site. A glass half empty still quenches the thirst with the delicious water. It wasn't a feeling of rapid excitement, of convulsing joy of winning a lottery, but an undercurrent. While it didn't move past skin to the world, it was a quiet roar, keeping the core of the Earth hot, of currents in the depth of the ocean. A sense of quiet peace looking back at things that happened, whether in relation to the site or apart (how to put it in the right words?). The first portion of :rabbithole: is the last portion of :rabbithole:. Upside down 'A'. It did cross my mind, but it disappeared in the depths of confusion. To turn the art world upside down and backwards. Things happening in life in general and in personal tend to go like that. And looking back and front at events that happened in life and wondering what will happen, feeling the connection of how it mirrored the site and its changes felt as though that time in 2009 was somehow back, with more depth and dimension.

I feel like I have more things to say, but not sure how to put it into words. Take it as a sort of rant, during this particular, regular day, that was supposed to be just a one liner, or nothing at all. At the end of the day, maybe I am putting too much definition on things that may not have them. How it moves forward, let's see to it. Discussions, views such as those mentioned in 7 Notes On DeviantArt's New Branding by TheRyanFord are thought provoking, and positive in fact that it cultivates and continues the discussion we were having when discussing the announcement in the forums few days ago. It provides a tether to the ground, giving a holistic look as well as a detailed reasoning for the overall aspect. Something to look forward to, personally as well.

All the best to you, my young twin!:) :rabbithole:
Looking forward to the next phase.

Take care everyone!


DeviantArt Mark green 1 by phoenixleo

Hei you all,

I have some tablet related questions. Hopefully, anyone who knows about them are able to answer. Any other tips and/or info would be wonderful as well. :huggle:
I have been soaking up a lot of the forum thread topics here on dA about tablets, and bookmarked some, can't find a few, and trawling the web about reviews and what not. I might buy a tablet, but don't know if it will be possible. But looking over these is fun and nerve wrecking. I am thinking of either a Wacom Intuos Pro Medium (or maybe a large) and wistfully eying the Cintiq 13HD. Who knows, I may just not get any and grumble around, but at least some questions will be answered.

Wacomactivearea1 by phoenixleo
I have been looking at several images and videos and all seem to have that white border edge thingy. When it says the active area to draw on, does it mean only inside those edges or do the rest of the area work as well (the red scribbled part outside those white markers? Why is that there? :O_o:

:bulletblue: It says all Intuos pros are 'pen and touch'. If I remember correctly when someone mentioned in the forums here (darn can't find the thread D: ), touch refers to using it like in iPad or iPhone with zooming, rotating, pinching shenanigans?

This touch feature isn't available in the Cintiq 13 HD right? :? Or is it present but I am not seeing anything properly? D:

:bulletblue: Surface / screen protectors. What can be used? I see from jcroxas's one very old thread… , for acetate sheets? Can one just put a regular print paper on top of the Intuos Pro surface? Would that deteriorate the pen nibs? Are there special skins found?

And what about for Cintiq 13HD screen protectors? I don't want to kill it the next day with scratches. D:

:bulletblue: Also, what are these Surface Sheets?… I just saw a youtube video of someone replacing it, so does it already come in place on the tablet?

:bulletblue: Also, if the worst happens and there are scratches. How do they get replaced? If someone buys it from Best Buy, FutureShop (as those retailers sell these), or Amazon, does the 1 year warranty allow it to be replaced? Does the retailer replace it (aka do I send to them), or would Wacom replace it (do I send to them)? Would that be valid?

For that surface sheet thing, how does one replace that with warranty since now the Intuos Pro is touch enabled?

:bulletblue: Is there, very soon, like in December or January, new line of Intuos Pro (with some other name or what not) and Cintiq coming? If I were to, say buy it in the last week of November, I don't want to wake up after 5 days and see a brand new line showing up. Why don't they tell us something new is coming so we can wait and compare? D:

:bulletblue: My monitor is 1280 x 1024 pixels resolution. I think 19 inch monitor (very old, darn it can't measure correctly). The medium Intuos Pro would be fine right? Or a Cintiq 13hd?

Not sure if I will get an extra monitor or not (though I don’t have space for another monitor. Maybe, move to a different room..will see….also again another bunch of money for that :dead:

:bulletblue: The cintiq 13hd shows it uses HDMI. Since my display uses a VGA plug, I would have get a HDMI-VGA adapter. Any brand would do right?

 One would be able to use a Cintiq 13HD outside North America right? Would have no problem with different voltage being in the current and the plugs right? Or would I have to take necessary steps for those?

:bulletblue: What type of carrying case should I get? For both?

:bulletblue: Oh, one would be able to switch the Intuos Pro/Cintiq from a desktop to a laptop if needed without having to pay any more fees or anything like softwares right? Just have it installed and done?

Thank you! :thanks:

 Will also post as a thread ._.
Edit: Nov 17, 2014: Thread link:… for seeing later on.

Week 45, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:00 AM
Hello sunshines!
Last week,  we asked you to  comment with a deviation that have hair in them for #NoShaveNovember in awareness for cancer. And the winner to receive the 3 month premium membership is,
barananduen with **


This week, every year, Remembrance Day is observed on November 11 to remember those who have given their lives in the line of duty.

Therefore, this week, we want you to create a deviation for #RemembranceDay. Whether it's a deviantID with you wearing the red poppy, or a deviation inspired by In Flanders Fields, or a story of events that have happened in your family, we want you to share it with us by link/thumb or writing it in the comments section.

One deviant will receive 1000 :points:.

:bulletblue: Comment below with a link/thumb of your deviation or text in the comments for Remembrance Day.
:bulletblue:  All entries must be submitted by Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 11:59:59pm PDT.
:bulletblue: One (1) deviant will receive 1000:points:.

Good luck and happy tasking! o_O

IrrevocableFate  recently held the Bestest Friend Contest, and the winners have been announced. Here's the journal feature for the winners!

1st Place

By introverted-ghost 

2nd Place


3rd Plac

By julietcaesar 

Congratulations to the winners! :clap:

Take care everyone! :hug:

Week 37, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:00 AM

Hello sunshines!

Last week we asked you  list three deviations that remind you of autumn. And the winner is *dun dun dun*

DreamWarrior  with


This week, the second half of the month starts and for that we would like you to draw with DeviantArt muro or any art program or traditionally one of your school memories. Whether it's a funny one, or a lovely moment you have had and share that in your comment as a muro drawing or a link/thumb to the deviation you have created for this.

One lucky deviant will win ONE THOUSAND POINTS 1000 :points: :iconeagerlaplz:

Bullet; Blue Create a piece of artwork using DeviantArt muro or other programs (traditional is fine also).
Bullet; Blue All entries must be submitted by Thursday, September 18 at 11:59:59pm PDT.
Bullet; Blue One (1) lucky deviant will win a 1000 :points:!

Good luck and happy tasking! o_O

dA Connection/Slowdown issues for users

For several days, many dA users are not able to access the site. Connection/slowdown isses, pages not loading means many who are trying to access the site or contact people are not able to do so. This is leading many people to confusion. deviantART is already aware of the situation and they are continuously working to get it fixed soon!

They have announced it in their deviantART Status section of help:

You can keep up to date with any announcements by email they make through deviantART Status by subscribing to it (click the link below):

-> How to Subscribe to the deviantART Status Forum and to Individual Posts

However, many are not able to even access the deviantART Status page, as the same issue persists there, as you have to log in there to click subscribe. Many who have commissioners waiting, status updates and other communications waiting means the people on the other end of the communication are not aware why the people they need to contact may not be able to respond for this period of time, so this announcement is to let them know about this. If you are able to share it across the net, know others who are not aware of this situation, please let them know that it may be for this particular reason. If you are able to subscribe to the deviantART Status, do so so you may be personally updated for any updates regarding dA through email.

You can also reblog this same information on Tumblr from here: Click Here

You can always contact dA to get the info, such as these:

deviantART Tumblr
Contact deviantART Help Desk
deviantART Help Desk Status Updates l How to subscribe to status forum
deviantART Facebook

This post is only to let everyone know that dA team is already aware of the situation and they are working on it. Stay positive and creative!

The F Word 12

Fri Sep 5, 2014, 12:36 AM

Welcome to the 12th in the series of The F Word.
Enjoy :heart:



Isolation IV




that uneasy feeling .




Gracen - sinister kid


Arms Open




A cavalier


Twilight: Scholastic Edition


orca girl02


to the rescue




The_path_to_the_miracle II


A monster




Happy Birthday for me


Space Vacation


Captain America


Kudu Guard


Survivor Zero 01


Previous Issues

The F Word 11

The F Word 10



Week 29, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:00 AM

Hello sunshines!

Last week we asked you to share your favourite food by drawing it using DeviantArt muro or draw it in the comments, or share a photograph of the most amazing chocolate cake you have ever made. Congratulations to Manda-of-the-6 and Sserenita, who have won a 3 Month Premium Membership! :clap:

Manda-of-the-6 shared*:
July 19 - Fine Dining by Manda-of-the-6
We have Manda-of-the-6's sister and her new mustache of fresh lobster in Shediac, New Brunswick to thank for the awesome delight of awesomeness!

Sserenita shared*:
Strawberry Shortcake by Sserenita
Strawberry shortcake!

The name deviantART is almost synonymous with the word Fandom. Fanart/fanfiction and cosplay of any movies, tv shows, books, and anything out there that you could be a fan of.

This week, we would like you to share your favourite fandom(s) by commenting with a thumb of one deviation in your fandom that is your favourite or by commenting with why a particular show/movie etc, whose fandom you are part of, is your favourite!

One (1) lucky deviant will win a 3 Month Premium Membership!

:bulletblue: Share your favourite fandom you are part of along with your favourite deviation related to that fandom, or comment with why you love that show/book, etc.
:bulletblue: All entries must be submitted by Thursday, July 17 at 11:59:59pm PDT.
:bulletblue: One (1) lucky deviant will win a 3 Month Premium Membership!

Good luck and happy tasking! o_O

Week 21, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon May 19, 2014, 12:00 AM
Hello sun shines!
Last week we asked you to link or thumb 2 deviations related to Mother's Day. Congratulations to Nicolaas-G and ShadowExiladia! :clap: They each have won a 3 Month Premium Membership to deviantART! :clap:

Nicolaas-G shared*:

<da:thumb id="446756728"/>

by MikeShawPhotography

ShadowExiladia shared*:

Mother's Day by kusodesign

by kusodesign

This week we would like you to find an awesome tutorial that you found most useful for your art haiku on deviantART! Make sure to explain why you found it useful! Please link or thumb the deviation in a comment along with your reason on this journal for entry! One (1) lucky deviant will receive a 3 Month Premium Membership to deviantART while another one (1) lucky deviant will receive 300 :points: courtesy of deviantART! :eager:

:bulletblue: Comment on this journal with a link/thumb of the most helpful tutorial that you found on deviantART explaining why you found it useful.
:bulletblue: All entries must be submitted by Thursday, May 22nd at 11:59:59pm PDT
:bulletblue: One (1) lucky deviant will receive a 3 Month Premium Membership to deviantART; One (1) lucky deviant will receive 300 :points:

Good luck and happy tasking! o_O


dA is Not Selling Your Works to Third Party Royalty Free

Hot Topic selling artist's works without permission

A Tumblr post has been circulating, where Hot Topic is selling artist's works as T-shirts in their store, including popular fan art without the artist's permission, deviant artists included. It caught on wildfire when one user linked to deviantART's Submission Policy, stating users gave permission to dA by agreeing to their Terms of Service thereby allowing dA to sell it to third party royalty free.

dA Tumblr by phoenixleo

This is false and inaccurate!

deviantART's Response:

"We appreciate the rallying of the community around the rights of this artist. Rights and ownership of artwork are an important cause which we do not take lightly. To clarify:

DeviantART does not retain any ownership nor right to ownership of any artwork posted to deviantART. The point of question in our Submission Policy is one which gives us the right to present the artwork you submit to deviantART on deviantART. As stated in our Submission Policy, “Artist at all times retains all right, title and interest in and to the Artist Materials provided by Artist hereunder (including, without limitation, the copyrights in and to the Artist Materials), subject to the non-exclusive rights in the licenses granted to deviantART under this Agreement.” Thus, artwork posted to deviantART may be used in promotional material for deviantART (with all due credit for the work included), but never for non-deviantART commercial purposes, and never without express recognition of the original artist. The artist also always retains the right to remove the work from deviantART at any time, if they so choose.

By the same token, because we do not retain any ownership of artwork submitted to deviantART, we cannot license it to others either (be it individual or company) without the express permission and written agreement of the artist. From section 5 of our Submission Policy: “deviantART will contact Artist in writing about any individual commercial uses of Artist Materials instigated by deviantART.” If deviantART had been involved with this situation in any way, the artist would have been contacted in writing long prior to any commercial use of the artwork. 

We assure you that we had no involvement of any kind in this incident. Again, we appreciate the passion with which the art community has come together regarding these circumstances, but as with all things, we’re always on the side of the artist."

Given the nature of this post, I feel it’s necessary to post the right information in here as well, considering seeing the notes and comments that users are posting without checking anything, or falsely misrepresenting the policies. Always clarify it from authentic sources or contact them (They don’t bite!). Have a pleasant browsing and interaction and apologies for the interruption!

You can always contact dA to get the info, such as these:

Contact deviantART Help Desk

deviantart Tumblr.

deviantART Terms of Service

Does deviantART own my art?

Please do spread the right news by re-blogging deviantART's response of the correct interpretation of the policy and this as well so users can see it here as well rather than the out of context one or any that you may find.

Edit:: Here's the artist's explanation. It's officially licensed.
For this time!

Week 13, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon Mar 24, 2014, 12:00 AM

Hello deviants!

Last week, we asked that you wonderful people to submit a traditional style deviation in your gallery!

Congratulations to DreamWarrior! *
She will receive a 3-Month Premium Membership to deviantART! La la la la

by DreamWarrior
Acrylics, watercolor pencils, ink, on paper.

Barbara, aka DreamWarrior, has been a member of deviantART for 11 years and is a graphic designer as well as an artisan. Her works stretch from traditional works as paintings, abstract designs to digital's fractal artworks. Take a look at this deviant's gallery!

Fruicy by DreamWarriorEspiruestos ACEO by DreamWarriorInked Pencil Paper Holder by DreamWarrior

This week, spring has arrived (at least calender wise in some places), and we ask you to draw or write (in no more than 200 words) about your dream garden. You can use any tools to create your artwork. It is your garden, Create it with your heart's content and as far as you can stretch it and your imagination! Once it's uploaded, make sure to link or thumb or write a comment with your work in here!

Two (2) lucky deviant will receive 200Points each and a front page feature on deviant365's profile as well as a mention in next week's blog.

Bullet; Blue Submit a deviation (visual or written) deviation to your gallery about your dream garden.
Bullet; Blue All entries must be submitted by Thursday, March 27th at 11:59:59pm  PDT.
Bullet; Blue Two (2) lucky deviant will receive 200:points: each + feature on deviant365's profile!

Good luck and happy tasking! o_O


Old folks and hat stands

Oh no, not another journal about this!

after going through some backlog, I saw Thiefoworld's poll, "Should people be allowed to suggest themselves for seniority?" where he asks for your opinions on whether one should be allowed to suggest themselves for seniority or not. farand had posted a suggestion thread suggesting the reasons for making someone a senior be made publicly available.

What are your thoughts/opinions on these matter?

You can most certainly write your thoughts about it in the poll and/or that specific suggestion, but are also welcome to put your opinions in here additionally if you wish.

Are you doing things just to be a senior?

How do I become a Senior Member?

"Senior Members of deviantART are selected by the Director of Community Operations (fourteenthstar), after reviewing suggestions made by the community with other full time deviantART Staff. Announcements are made on a quarterly basis and during special, celebratory events such as our birthday.
So what does it take to become a Senior? That's a question many have asked and have never really been able to get a straight answer on. Some have gained Seniority as a thank you for their time spent as a Volunteer, or to recognise their contribution to a particular project or collaborative action. Some have gained Seniority because of their community spirit, providing help and assistance to many other deviants and taking time out to promote the work of others in the community.
Some people have received Seniority because of their artistic endeavour, having a positive influence on their peers by sharing resources, providing constructive criticism and by being a voice that stands out above the many others who deviate to be recognised in the crowd.
If you come across someone who you believe should be considered for Seniority in our community, please note fourteenthstar with your suggestion.

Apply for seniority?

"It's not a position, it's a recognition, an accolade."

- fourteenthstar

The word "apply" itself, as fourteenthstar responded, an uncomfortable choice of word for seniority. One "can't "apply" to be a senior"fourteenthstar . However, there's no policy against people contacting her to bring themselves to her attention regarding this.

"Seniority is never given on any one thing and sometimes I feel like people push for those statements because they want to align it more with Deviousness -- so no, we're not really going to list why people received Seniority because it's more of a holistic thing than any singular achievement."
- fourteenthstar

So don't just stop here and get ready for a job interview. Read on you amazing people for something related to it. =P

This brings me to the second topic. Community Volunteering. If you don't know what this is about, first read through these handy FAQs:

We have wonderful articles such as How to be a guiding light and shining example by RockstarVanity and How to help your community by Krissi001 at our disposal. There are a lot of news articles (such as PE: Want to be a Senior or CV? from projecteducate), journals, groups, forum threads that go on about how you can take part in the community, give back to the community what you have to offer, to learn and grow along with it. People offer their views, suggestions on what we can do to be active.

And it's great. You want to be active in the community, whether a large community on dA or a small niche of your liking, because dA is like a pangaea community made of countless communities of their own. kuschelirmel 's Why do you want to get noticed on dA? goes hand in hand with Thiefoworld 's So you want to be a CV.

"Everyone comes here with something in mind and the part where you try to get into contact with the rest of the
community often is not so much about getting yourself noticed than about finding your place on this large
site. A place where your very personal needs are fulfilled and not some generic
"ideal" of "getting noticed" just for the heck of it...
...people on here forget why they came here in the first place. And suddenly, we have users wandering about the site with only one big goal: becoming more popular. To them, popularity is the be-all and end-all. They do everything they do just to get more watchers / faves / comments / pageviews,

Are you more concentrated to become a senior and or a CV, the title/position of seniority and CV more than what accompanies it?
So you see CVs and seniors and think people seem to be respecting them more than others (myth), they are popular (myth), people seem to be falling at their feet (myth), and are glorious in their actions (myth)!

And then something in you clicks.

You want to be a senior/CV as well! :eager: You're hoping to be a CV as soon as you are 18. You begin to perform the seven wonders! (or maybe more!)

You are seen in every nook and cranny of dA. You are the phoenix burning at its zenith. The number of groups you are part of, posting articles, blogs, doing interviews, features are dazzling! Your daily deviation suggestion notes knows no bounds. Contests you hold are amazing! You keep in touch with everyone of note out there. Your wishlist to Santa is to be a senior one day (and onwards of course) and/or a CV!

But then in the next announcement, you don't see your name. No, nothing. A CRACK! But you will plaster it up. You continue on. Then there's more more announcements and it's like you (and your friends perhaps) aren't already a senior or a CV yet. And it's like any comment you make sometimes looks like it's being taken in another way. You are trying your best, yet you are somehow short of that goal. The crack grows larger.

But no matter, you carry on. You apply again, and again. You continue your journals, articles, features, and the wonders that keep building the community. You are the loved by many, a "(soon)-to-be-a-star" that everyone wants to be!

The glorious list of your achievements goes on an on like Celine Dion. Even then, it stumps you. You know you are going to be a great CV. Others know you are a going to be a great senior. Which is why you apply and they suggest. After all the things you have done, why aren't you still a CV or a senior? After all the suggestions for you, why aren't you still a senior? A CV? You practically are well versed in C.R.E.A.T.E enough that blindly answer it in trivia.

"Are you willing to do what a CV does? to "foster creative genius by encouraging artists to grow, collaborate and participate in a friendly and supportive artistic environment"? because I honestly think all of us can do that already, volunteers or not, so once again, if you want to do all that, then by fella's sake, DO IT!"*

But you are already DOING IT. Look at the things you have been doing.  Your intentions are good. You are a nice person. Yet, this seems to be taking a longer time than memorizing dA's FAQs and CV's names. Why is it so hard to be one? :crying:

And then there's the rumors. Perhaps you were called an "ass kisser"? A senior/staff/CV white knight (the opposite is called dark knight is it? :noes:)? Obviously you don't believe these rumors, but you have seen others be referred to by that name. The dArama behind such misconceptions are tantamount. Of course you are not doing that. You are doing all this for the community.

It's not bad to want to be a CV or be disappointed in not being a senior in the last announcement. Being a human, you are welcome to the world of rejection.

But the questions are:

  • Why do you want to be a senior and/or a CV?
  • Why do you want to be "popular"?
  • Would not becoming a CV and/or recognized as a senior make all your endeavors useless?
  • "In your own words why [are you] interested in volunteering with DeviantART, what you hope to gain from the experience, and what you can contribute to our team"?CV application
  • Was all the things you and your friends did all for nothing?
  • Why are you on here? Why does your personal goal of becoming a CV/senior/popular clash with the things you have done for the community and what the community has given to you? Is it the end all and be all? If wanting it is not bad, why do you think the act of getting it is more important as a reward than the things you have already been doing and set out to do to accomplish this?
  • Intentions and your desires can change, and if so, why does two of these 'status' in itself hold more power than others? Wouldn't you simply be popular if you did watch for watch, watch/fave for points and the likes (see the last point) ? 
  • Would you stop doing these things if you knew directly you wouldn't be one, knowing full well, opinions can change in the future and not hoping for that change in opinion to be a smouldering flame making you continue doing it?
  • Check out Xadrea 's Pageviews, Watchers, and Popularity for another point of view!

What are your thoughts on these topics?

My journal is so empty of any discussions :noes:

Yes, this is another one of those journals!11
  • "phoenixleo you are also part of the problem", you remark, thinking of the countless dramas you have seen in your time here. :noes:
  • "phoenixleo you are just showcasing what you did, aren't you?", you point out seeing the similarities you have seen and the countless dramas you have seen in your time here. :noes:
  • "phoenixleo you are just fishing for reasons that you can use to include in your CV application aren't you?", you remark seeing what @Thiefoworldhave mentioned in his article. :noes:

Have fun and take care!


Week 6, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon Feb 3, 2014, 12:00 AM

Hello deviants,

Welcome to the February Fever!

Last week we asked you to create an artwork and link/thumb/or write a comment depicting what you accomplished on January, 2014.
Congratulations to Blurrygrey! :clap:
Blurrygrey will receive a feature on deviant365's and phoenixleo's profile page!

This is the first time he has used a light table and compiled it using computer to create an animation*:Marionette Sniper by Blurrygrey

Other works by him:
Jaz Techlight by Blurrygrey Clocktower by Blurrygrey

This week, we ask you to give an insight to your artistic approach and/or themes that you showcase in your work. It can be anything, from an environmental awareness, a personal emotion, anything! Feel free to use thumb and/or link your works and others to showcase your point of view. Make sure to link or thumb or write a comment with your work!

One (1) lucky deviant will receive 80:points: courtesy of phoenixleo and a front page feature on deviant365's profile as well as a mention in next week's blog.

:bulletblue:Give an insight to your artistic approach and/or themes that you showcase in your work
:bulletblue: All entries must be submitted by Thursday, February 6, 2014 at 11:59:59pm PDT
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Good luck and happy tasking! o_O


Week 5, 2014 at #deviant365

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:00 AM

Hello deviants,

We hope the January has been alright, if not worthwhile for you!

Last week we asked you to complement a deviant using the mention feature
Congratulations to Manda-of-the-6, Zpitts and DecepticonFlamewar! :clap:
All three of them will receive 80:points: each courtesy of bradleysays!

This week, we ask you to create a work of what you have accomplished or will have accomplished in January, 2014!. It can be anything! Feel free to use any medium necessary. Make sure to link or thumb or write a comment with your work!

One (1) lucky deviant will receive a front page feature on deviant365 and on phoenixleo's profile as well as a mention in next week's blog.

:bulletblue: Create an artwork and link/thumb/or write a comment depicting what you accomplished on January, 2014.
:bulletblue: All entries must be submitted by Thursday, January 30, 2014 at 11:59:59pm PDT
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Good luck and happy tasking! o_O



The period of Greek Art began from the Cyclidian and Minoan civilization. Ancient Greek Art and Hellenistic Art have and had been influenced by several other cultures and their art. We are going to look at the latter part of the Ancient Greek Art period on to the Hellenistic period from Geometric Period, Oriental Period, Archaic Period, Classical Period and Hellenistic Period respectively. This will also include some context, social, religious, or political, to go along with it. This article will mainly focus on the art form in potteries, sculptures friezes in temples if possible. Architecture has not been included for the sake of already lengthy size. Click the images to see an enlarged view in

Transition from the Dark Ages

After the destruction of Mycenaean palaces, the sophisticated achievements of the Greek Bronze Age1 disappeared. This hailed the Dark Ages2. Lost was the knowledge and experience of construction using cut blocks, wall paintings, ivory and sculptures in stone workings. The Dark ages lasted for about two hundred years. The revival from the Dark Ages started slowly from late 10th century BC to around 8th century BC. The span of two centuries (c. 900-700 BC) was termed the Geometric Period, due to the mathematically precise methods in which the pot painters decorated their pots and vases.

The Geometric Period

The roots of Classical Greece lie in the Geometric period of about 1050 to 700 BC, when the primary Greek institutions - such as city states, major sanctuaries, Pan-Hellenic Festivals - took shape. This was also the time, specifically the 8th century BC, of Homer. His works, the Iliad and the Odyssey, regarded as some of the first masterpieces of literature in Western culture and have remained as inspiration to the classical Greeks and artists and writers in the present day.

Geometric period, as mentioned, derives its name from the artistic notion of using rectilinear and curvilinear forms. While this style was simple, it was very refined. Worshiping the gods took place in open air and was very important in their life, which resulted in gifts of votive offerings being made in the hope of reciprocal favors from the god. Therefore, the style was applied to pots and vases as well as figurines, with bronze and precious metals.

While knowledge of the lost Mycenaean skills was lost, the female sculptures of divine entities had similar features of those of Late Minoan sculptures. The sculptors also created works which included animals and hybrid creatures such as centaur from Lefkandi (Figure 1). The torsos usually had a triangular shape to them like that of Female figurine from Athens (Figure 2). They had long legs, sharp features .

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Figure 1
Centaur, from Lefkandi. 10th century BC. Terracotta. Height 14 ins (36cm). Eretria Museum

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Figure 2
Female figurine, from Athens. C. 730 BC. Ivory. Height 91/2 inch (24 cm). National Museum Athens.

Warrior figures were a common element, both in sculptures and tripods for human figures. These were offered as votive figures to the gods, or for celebrating a victory, which will be shown in the later stages. Early Geometric period (850-760 BC), aka the Protogeometric pottery, had shapes common of the amphora (for storage), the krater (for mixing drinks), and various shapes of cups. In terms of decoration, it was limited to groups of concentric circles or semicircles, precisely drawn with multiple brushes or compasses along with cross-hatched triangles, panels, and symmetrically arranged zigzags (Figure 3). The purpose of the decoration was to emphasize form3. Pedley, p.113.

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Figure 3
Protogeometric pots from the Kerameikos cemetery, Athens. Late 11/10th century BC. Height (of skypos) 6 ins (15.5 cm). Kerameikos Museum, Athens.

During the full Geometric style, the sharp features of the vases, pots, kraters still maintained their clean lines. People and animals were depicted as popular forms in stylized forms with them grazing or feeding and humans in stick like silhouette features with elongated legs, triangular torsos and dabs of paint for heads. For instances where warriors were portrayed in funerary vases, they would often accompany a funeral procession with the dead man laid atop horse drawn carriages, with frieze of warriors, horses, shields and chariots beside. This was to celebrate the dead’s role as a warrior, elevating their roles to virtue, service to state and aristocratic identity which is a symbol of Homeric and heroic past (Figure 4). Kraters are associated with male burials as they are mixing bowls for wine and water and are common in symposium, a social gathering of significance for males, male centric competitions and solidarity. On the other hand, amphoras with their belly and shoulder handled shapes are household objects for storing oils (olive) and grains, and water and are for female burials.

                Fig4Dypilon vase by phoenixleo
Figure 4 (Wikipedia)
Geometric amphora, from Diplyon cemetery, Athens. C. 750 BC. Height 5 ft 1 in (1.55 m). National Museum, Athens.

The Orientalizing Period

The Archaic Period ca. 700-480 BC consists of the Orientalizing Period ca. 700-600 BC as its start. It was the product of Asian Minor, of Syria, Assyria, and to some extent, Phoenicia and Egypt. New techniques in working with raw materials resulted in new kinds of sculptures, architectures, along with oriental designs from the East. Egyptian ideas particularly had effect in the creation of buildings and statues in stone; however, this was always modified according to the Greeks’ sense of proportions, forms, and/or patterns.

Many Greeks had been traveling abroad for their livelihoods in a series of colonization. Several New Greek cities, or city states aka poleis, were founded. During these times, many of the old poleis fell into the hands of individual masters, called “tyrants” (a term of no negative overtone at that time), who had all constitutional and military power. Trade, industry and public works were all encouraged. Complex alliances were forged and broken between neighboring and distant cities, nurturing fear, envy and competition.


Orientalizing influences on vase paintings can be seen in Corinth on early stages, which created a specific style of theirs, called the black-figure technique in the 8th century BC. The city, being well located with harbors had link to the rest of Greece and fostered transfer of ideas. Orientalizing motifs included floral and vegetal designs, and animals of all shapes, felines, bulls, birds, and or mythical elements like sphinxes, griffins, etc (Figure 5).

Fig5Skyphos genius animals Louvre MNB2030 by phoenixleo
Figure 5 (Wikipedia)
Protocorinthian skyphos, c. 625 BC, Louvre.

In Corinthian black-figure style, all figures were drawn in black silhouette against reddish clay, with anatomical details picked out by incision with a needle like instrument. This allowed the colour of the clay to appear in sharp, thin lines thereby suggesting forms. This relied heavily on clear and crisp draftsmanship on precise contour and effects of colour (white or red) 4. Those that merged Geometric features (such as bands of rings or crosshatched triangles in the baselines or shoulder for decoration) along with oriental figures were called proto-Corinthian style (Figure 5 above).

Black figure style pottery is also seen in modern culture in its use in Disney’s Hercules (1997) (Figure 6).

Figure 6.  From fyeahhercules l Tumblr

Meanwhile, pottery in Athens of the Orientalizing period was called “Protoattic” and doesn’t use the black figure technique of Corinth until the end of the century. They also retain some Geometric style features, such as the decorations, or triangular torso figures, angular bodies. Athenian potteries had mythological scenes prominent as features (Figure 7).

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Figure 7
Protoattic amphora, the Eleusis amphora. C. 650 BC. Height 4 ft 9 ins (1.44 m). Archaeological Museum, Eleusis.

Image description: “[It] depicts the Gorgons in pursuit of Perseus in the main frieze, on the body. The hero has just decapitated their sister Medusa and is making off with her head. The figure of Perseus is fragmentary, as is that of Athena, who is hindering the gorgons…drawn in outline, with some added white paint, they offer toothy, snaky heads and torsos, frontally, with profile legs, as they advance, firm-footed on the groundline, their steps in unison. Here, then is a scene from a well-known myth, recognizable by any self-respecting seventh century BC Greek, conveying its message of the triumph of the Greek hero over the world of malignant monsters. An animal combat, with silhouette boar and outline lion, decorates the shoulder. On the neck, Odysseus and his companions blind Polyphemos, the Cyclops who had imprisoned them in his cave (Homer, Odyssey 9.870ff.). The literary inspiration is clear, while Geometric influence can still be seen in the silhouette figures. The body of Odysseus and the faces of his comrades, on the other hand, are painted white, and Polyphemos’ face is left the color of the clay. Incision is used for fingers, toes, and Polyphemos’ beard, while fillers have only a minor role. The image combined two episodes into one: Polyphemos howls as the stake penetrates his eye, yet he still has the wine cup in his hand with which the Greeks had stupefied him before blinding him while he slept. Thus, different incident are squeezed together, and time is compressed. This amphora, then, shows two approaches to narrative, one on the neck and one on the body, with the single episode (Perseus and the gorgons) standing for the entire fable, and the synchronized image (Odysseus, Polyphemos, and the Greeks) incorporating two different episodes. So well planned a composition with large figures, however awkwardly drawn, suggests an already existing tradition of narrative wall or panel painting. This amphora … would have served a funerary purpose. It was a burial jar for a child.” 5. Pedley, p: 126-128


Ongoing wars of the Greek city-states promoted that that male warrior type would continue to be a favourite subject of dedications in sanctuaries. In sync, the Panhellenic games which took place meant athletic male form became a motif for sculptors as well. Bronze was still a prized material for creating sculptures. Geometric forms still continued initially. This could be seen in The Mantiklos Bronze (Figure 7a) below from 700-675 BC from Thebes in Boeotia which was dedicated (a votive) to Apollo (and sometimes referred to as The Mantiklos Apollo). It shows cylindrical thighs, triangular torso, pyramidal neck, triangular face, and hemispherical crown. Greeks’ enthusiasm of writing was also seen here, as the dedicator, Mantiklos, proudly defaced the thighs of his gift with two hexameter verses: “Mantiklos dedicated to me the Far-Shooter with the Silver Bow from his tithe; grant, Apollo, something good in return.”, aka a du ut des. The hole in the left hand likely was an attachment as support for a bow. Geometric style features of triangular body, angular/rounded edges can be seen. It’s with a symmetrical composition with left hand clenched (for the arrow). The abdomen has some muscle definition of small signs on incisions. It was a figure of a warrior, as can be seen from the helmet over the long hair, and the warrior belt. However, it is nude, as genitalia was present, since heroic nudity was part of the culture. The left leg is placed a bit forward than the right, which gives it a walking forward posture, thereby showing a figure “in action”. Lower legs are missing. The eyes are hollow, possibly inlaid with gems or precious stones.

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Figure 7(a)
The Mantiklos Bronze, from Thebes. Late Geometric or Early Orientalizing Period. C. 700-675 BC. Bronze. Height 7 4/5 ins (20 cm). Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.

The Archaic Period

The Archaic Period, c. 600-480 BC, the prosperity of the seventh century BC continued, and so did the rivalries between the states. Many states continued to be in the hands of the tyrants, while others had set up democratic constitutions, for example, Athens. The Archaic period enabled architects and sculptors to outdo each other in monumentality in stone. As sculptors thoroughly observed the problems of representing ideal forms in observed subjects, Greek artists made increasingly naturalistic representations of the human figure.

Greek sculptors worked in marble on the islands of Naxos, Paros, and Samos before the end of the 7th century BC and these also appeared on the mainland afterwards. The two major type of sculpture prevalent in the sixth century BC was the standing nude male, the Kouros (pl. kouroi) and the standing clothed female, the Kore (pl. korai). The abstraction of the Geometric Period develops to more naturalistic human proportions and scale. Sculptors were also focusing more on how to better represent divine beauty in an ideal human form. The kore is particularly important in the development techniques to represent drapery, beginning by obscuring the anatomy to moving through hints of body beneath to revealing the body to some extent. Interestingly, the more there were steps to render drapery folds, textures and patterns, the more visible the body became. This, in addition, provides early concepts of movements, dynamic flow, transparency in semi-eroticism, through the curves, and folds in draperies.

An example of a kouroi, and famous one at that, is the New York Kouros from Metropolitan Museum of Art (Figure 8). It prominently shows male nudity (without the warrior belt from the previous trend of it in previous years, like the Mantiklos Apollo). It allowed the Greeks, specially Greek men, to separate their society from that of barbarians, from women, and slaves, showcasing the divine similarities between gods and men of: youth, beauty, athletic success, military and civic virtue, immortality and sexual desirability in both male and female eyes.

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Figure 8
New York Kouros, c. 600 BC. Marble. Height 6 ft 4.5 ins (1.95 m). Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York.


The first quarter of the century, painters were decorating vessels in the Corinthian style (black-figure style) with Orientalizing features. Features such as black silhouette, red hair, beards, frontal chests and profile contours seemed adequate for the purpose of expressing the body in a more realistic motion and emotional state. New techniques were experimented with, which brought forth the Red-Figure style technique as the most successful method. This method was the reverse of the black-figure. The figure remains in red color of the clay while the background becomes black. Outlines were drawn with brush on the pot, and background painted black. Incision thickness changed to portray details and contours which made more improvements in terms of realistic representation of anatomy in motion, three-quarter views, and human emotions easier to portray. Dresses and anatomy distinguished males from females.

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Figure 9
Attic red figure calyx krater by Euphronios: Heracles struggling with Antaios. c. 510 – 500 BC Height 19ins (48cm). Musee du Louvre, Paris.

The Transition Period

The Archaic period ends at around 480 BC with the marked halt of the Persian invasion. After this there’s the Transition period which proceeds the High Classical era, recognized by the introduction of a new style referred to as Severe style. In attempts to render more naturalistic anatomies, the Severe Style introduces movement into standing human figures by putting weight on one leg than the other and turning/bending the head, which transforms the stuff Archaic pose into more active dynamic images. Its name derives from the thoughtful, serious facial expression and heavy treatment of the drapery. The balance between the anatomical accuracy and representation of an ideal human form did not appear until the start of the High Classical period of the second half of the century.

Women’s role in the Greek world was not so much as sheltered but, in a world where most power was held by men, segregated. While Spartan women were encouraged to be outdoors, take part in sports or have some level of respect and freedom in society, their Athenian counterparts didn’t have any political rights. They could not vote, go to assembly or law courts, and were centered around the home and the family; marriage, conception, birth, and children being the main concern. However, this was not that their part in public life was invisible or negligible, at least for some. Those of upper class could take part in procession at festivals, or in festivals honoring the fertility goddess Demeter, attend births, marriages and funerals and most importantly as priestesses in religion. After the introduction of democracy in Athens, many were chosen by lot, where some remained priestesses for their whole life, while others until they married. Priesthood for female deities was held by women, and men for the counterparts with the exception of the Pythia, the priestess of Apollo at Delphi.

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Figure 10
Temple of Zeus, Olympia, east pediment. C. 460 BC. Height 11ft (3.35m).

The pose of the entire group standing separately yet giving a sense of tranquility with the movement shown through the way the sculptor puts weight onto one leg with the other free, and various gestures. (Figure 10)

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Figure 11
Tempe of Zeus, Olympia, east pediment: the seer Iamos. c. 460 BC. Marble. 4 ft 6 ins (1.38m). Olympia Museum.

Beyond the chariots, one figure identified is the Iamos, resident prophet at a particular house. Age is shown with full, heavy flesh of the torso and the balding head, with anxiety and shocked expression which is new to the Greek sculptures. (Figure 11)

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Figure 12
Temple of Zeus, Olympia, east pediment: reclining corner figure (personification of the river Kladeos). C. 460 BC. Marble. Olympia Museum

The reclining corner figure (Figure 12) is a personification of a local river, Kladeos lifting himself to witness the events. Drapery contrasts with anatomy, muscle with bone and flesh. The body is lean and young in comparison to the old figure of the prophet. The overall posture gives a smooth natural wavy curve which implies waves of water.

Also check out “The Kritios Boy”, “Artemision Bronze”, and “Riace Warriors” and “The Tyrannicides”.

The High Classical Period

The Transitional period gave way to the High Classical Period c. 450 – 400 BC known for its sophisticated architecture and rich sculptural decoration. Often uniform representations of young men and young women were seen sharing similar physical traits. They had the same head types, small mouth, big eyes. Drapery went through radical changes with being carved more deeply, showing light and shade play as it swept against the bodies, allowing viewers to sense the limbs beneath. The gods were shown in human form - an ideal form - human anatomy is accurately shown and movement more naturalistic, yet the expression remained distant and otherworldly.

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Figure 13
Doryphoros by Polykleitos, from  Pompeii. Roman copy of a bronze Greek original of c. 440 BC. Marble. Height 6ft 11 inches (2.12m). National Museum, Naples

This figure (Figure 13) is an example of how the reaction of the body to the free leg and weight leg pose. The free leg is placed behind, heel raised. The head turns the same side as the planted leg and holds the figure still. The expression is the similar High Classical distanced, tranquil look. Throughout the body, tensed forms balance the relaxed ones. Relaxed right arm balances the weight leg, while the tensed left arm balances the free leg vertically. The weight leg and free leg balance free arm and tensed arm. Contrapposto is used to describe this poise/counterpoise. Even with its idealized male beauty, it still incorporates realism of bone and muscle, hair and flesh. Nudity is a core element in showcasing the nature of perfection.

Even though the Classical expression was very important, it was however short-lived due to the Persian Wars and the Peloponnesian Wars between Athens and allied city states led by Sparta.

The Fourth Century c. 400 – 300 BC

Towards the end of the High Classical period, sculpture became more naturalistic representation of human figure along with continuation of the representation of the idea in realistic figures. The Antikythera Bronze (figure 14) is an example of a fourth-century BC original. The standing nude youth shows the influence of Polykleitan athletic figures in the position of the legs and feet, the balance of muscular tension and the structure of anatomy. New improvements are the smallness of the head in proportion to the rest of the body, outstretched arm to involve the surrounding space, and the leftward swaying pose balanced by the right arm and the tilt of the head.

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Figure 14
Antikythera Bronze c. 350 BC. Bronze. Height 6ft 4.5 inches (1.94 m). National Museum, Athens.

Dense application of drapery is seen in a bronze original of Athena (Figure 15). The larger than life Athena wears the new dense drapery, an aegis, and a helmet and originally held a spear in her left hand. She remains massive, imposing figure but with head tilted to the right and a gentle expression upon her face, making her more approachable than previous renditions.

The densities of draperies now describe the weight and texture of the cloth itself, which conceals the volumes of the body. They are complicated as in nature. For sculptures with two figures, new characteristic is the expression of gentle intimacy.

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Figure 15
Athena, possibly by Sulla, C. 350 BC. Bronze. Height 8 ft (2.44m). Piraeus Museum.

The Hellenistic Period c. 323 – 31 BC

The Hellenistic period begins between the death of Alexander the Great in 323 BC and concludes in 31 BC with the Battle of Actium. It is called Hellenistic because it witnessed the spread of Greek and Macedonian ideas throughout what had been Alexander’s empire. Hellenistic kings became prominent patrons of the arts,. New precious and semiprecious stones were available through newly established trade routes. Hellenistic art became richly diverse in subject matter and in stylistic development. Hellenistic artists copied and adapted earlier styles and created new ones. Perfect 360 degree sculpture, draping and effects of transparency of clothing, various poses, all were still repeated in this period as well.

For subject matter, the standing male figure remained in use for images of gods and for commemorative statuary, and the draped female figure continued to be popular. But these were not the dominant types anymore. Interest in realism produced true to life portraits and images of characters with personality such as aged fisherman or old market woman (figure 16) as well as well as natural state of mind. Interest in eroticism resulted in sensuous statues of the nude Aphrodite, coupling satyrs and nymphs. Personification o and allegory became more important as subject matter while interest in theatricality and emotion produced statues in their settings such as Eros asleep on a rock, images of suffering, anguish, anxiety or pleasure.

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Figure 16
Old market woman. Height 4 ft 1.5 inches (1.26 m). Late 2nd or early 1st century BC copy of a 3rd century original. Metropolitan Museum, New York.

Sculptors could now show other real life mental states in relation to physical states. Therefore, the Sleeping Satyr, or Barberini Faun (figure 17) shows a portrait of a mind at rest and body relaxed.

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Figure 17
Sleeping Satyr, aka the Barberini Faun, found in Rome, possibly a Hellenistic original. c. 200 BC. Marble. Height 7 ft (2.15m). Staatliche Antikensammlungen, Munich.

Other such images include the Capitoline Venus (c. 250-150 BC), Eros Asleep (c. 150-100 BC), and The Laocoon group: Laocoon and his sons battling the serpents (2nd century BC or 1st century AD). Art history of this period often depicts these works as a decadent style, and sometimes referring to these as the 18th century terms Baroque sometimes. Interest in Greek art and culture remains strong during the Roman Imperial period for centuries and continued to make works of art in Hellenistic tradition.


1. Bronze Age Collapse, Wikipedia.
2. Greek Dark Ages.
3. Pedley. Greek Art and Archaeology. 5th Edition. Prentice Hall Pearson. p. 113.
4. Black-Figure l Wikipedia
5. Pedley. Greek Art and Archaeology. 5th Edition. Prentice Hall Pearson. p. 126-128.
Other resources from Ancient Greece, 1000 b.c.–1 a.d. from Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History l The Metropolitan Museum of Art
a. Geometric Art in Ancient Greece
b. Greek Art in the Archaic Period
c. The Art of Classical Greece (ca. 480–323 b.c.)
d. Art of the Hellenistic Age and the Hellenistic Tradition

Check Astrikos's article, Art History: Greek and Hellenistic Art l alternate as well!
And, Resources for Artists - Art of Civilizations Past

'Official' Pricing Your Commissions or Artwork Thread

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General Art and Digital Art forum are always inundated with threads (here l here) about how to price ones' commissions every few days. Rather than creating such a thread everytime, use this 'official' thread for asking questions, providing answers to anyone who might have individual questions, or finding out information provided here about how to go on about pricing your commissions.
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   :bulletblue: DW's Guide on Art Commissions by dwwrider
   :bulletblue: Commission Tutorial by shingworks
   :bulletblue: How Should I Price My  Art by FriendlyHand
   :bulletblue: Finding Freelance Work: Pricing and Self Doubt! by FriendlyHand
   :bulletblue: Making Art on Commission: Tips for Artists
   :bulletblue: Pricing Your Art
   :bulletblue: A Guide to Pricing Your Artwork
   :bulletblue: Pricing Your Art for Drawing Commissions

Some more resources and advices posted in the comments of the previous thread as well as more updates:

:bulletpurple: "Price by mats, time, skill demand + extra issues (incl shipping). Don't ever lower your price or people will never buy your art &/or only wait for sales. You do not want potential customers to think that way."* - Ebonsong

:bulletpurple: "I generally advise folks to choose an hourly rate and multiply that by the number of hours required to complete the art. The number of hours may just be an approximation, but you will get better at approximating as you complete more and more work. If you are just starting out, and you plan to eventually earn a living with art, you should charge at least minimum wage. (Otherwise you might as well get a regular job that doesn't require any special skills!) If you know you can charge more than that, do it. Also include the value of any materials used up in the process and the shipping cost if you are mailing a physical piece of art to a client. You can get approximate mailing prices by visiting the website of your post office.... [Click here to read more]"* - FriendlyHand

:bulletpurple: "The biggest general guideline I can say for pricing your art is that it needs to be worth your time. Generally, you should be pricing your work at minimum wage or higher. Remember - people get paid minimum wage for flipping burgers and other no-skill jobs. Art is a skilled profession that takes a lot of practice and training to master. People are paying for those years of practice as well as the actual time/materials it takes you to do art. ... [Click here to read more points]"* - SpaceTurtleStudios

:bulletpurple: "My personal advice is that if you can't charge at least minimum wage as an hourly rate then simply don't do commissions, it's not worth it; you're better off using the time you're going to waste on commission to practice your skill and make your art more desirable. Just my small :twocents:"* - Farewell-Spring

:bulletpurple: Example of Embroidery Base Idea Commission Info:
Embroidery Commission Info by unokitsune *

:bulletpurple: How do you do your commissions? : Some others' opinions and discussions going on here about it that might be helpful.*

:bulletpurple: About Overpricing Things by Capukat shared by Farewell-Spring*

:bulletpurple: Commission Prices and the Homeless by renonevada

:bulletpurple: PE: Creating Art on Commission by jane-beata for projecteducate

:bulletpurple: How to Sell Your Original Paintings by ArtByCher for projecteducate

:bulletpurple: How can I tell if I'm skilled enough? by claralieu

:bulletpurple: Ask the Art Professor: Financial Issues by claralieu

:bulletpurple: Ask the Art Professor: Selling Your Art by claralieu

:bulletpurple: Ask the Art Professor: Approaching Galleries by claralieu

:bulletpurple: Commission - Approach and Pricing Guide

:bulletpurple: So You Want to Take Commissions

:bulletpurple: Greeny's Guide to Art Commissions

:bulletpurple: Creating Art on Commission Without Getting Burnt: A Short Guide for Artists

:bulletpurple: So you want to do commissions (a basic guide) by Hardrockangel

:bulletpurple: Commission Guide: Revised by Marker-Guru

While it's not an actual official thread without a sticky, but wouldn't it be wonderful to have some solid thread to use as a hub for information regarding these commonly asked topics in one central place? :) So until a admin/CV decides to make it an actual sticky thread, everyone is welcome to keep it alive and keep things related to the topic here for others to enjoy and seek help.
:poke:So *nudge nudge* make it a sticky! And participate! :meow:

In the likely case this does not become a sticky, you are encouraged to use this thread like it would be from bookmark it, share it with others, put your opinion, etc!

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You can find the new sticky thread in the forum > Art Related > General in here

New additions will be posted as links in the forum as well as in here. However, do use the forum for any questions that you may have that others in the forum will be able to answer for you.

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Week 51, 2013 at #deviant365

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 12:00 AM

Hola snuggleberries,
Last week we asked you to use DeviantArt muro and draw us a snow(wo)man. And the winner who wins 6 Month Premium Membership is WinnDixieX3 with :

Congratulations! :clap:

One the first day of Christmas, my true love said to me, I am not your true loovee!:sing:

Know the song?

In this week's task, your task is to write an interesting take, whether weird, or funny, take on the 12 Days of Christmas song. If you are of the drawing type, you can also use DeviantArt muro to draw your songs!

On the second day of Christmas, my true love said to me, Stop following me, you creeeep :sing:

One deviant will win my weirdo heart 300 :points:!
Another deviation will win the key to my heart 200 :points: I don't know why the key to my heart is so cheap :grump:

Good luck and Happy Holidays!

Week 47, 2013 at #deviant365

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 9:00 PM

Last week we asked you to write a three word story. And the 3 winners are:
:bulletblue:Ankh-Ascendant Once upon a*
:bulletpurple:BritLawrence time there were*
:bulletred:WinnDixieX3 five silly bears*
:bulletgreen:BritLawrence who were on*
:bulletorange:Ankh-Ascendant a psychedelic substance.*

The winners will each receive 800 :points:! Congratulations! :clap:

It's hard to sometimes pick one person amongst several that you are fond of and admire.
This week, your task is to write about a deviant who inspires you and how they were important in your improvement (whether as a friend, in your works, inspiration, etc) and share 1-2 of their works as thumbnail/link.
FAQ #81: How can I create links to other deviants, deviations, or websites?

One deviant who suggests will receive three month premium membership.

One deviant who was featured will also receive three month premium membership

Have a lovely week! :huggle: